tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post5053168826307330862..comments2023-10-18T07:25:03.394-07:00Comments on jaeson's journal: WE NEED MORAL CLARITYUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-82644151173069847532008-11-04T22:29:00.000-08:002008-11-04T22:29:00.000-08:00I'm so glad that President Obama is our new presid...I'm so glad that President Obama is our new president.<BR/>Hopefully, he'll open everybodies' eyes. <BR/>No more hatred, no more discrimination, and such.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure God is happy.Song of Stylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15611875068118202728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-16605630592304209882008-11-04T02:02:00.000-08:002008-11-04T02:02:00.000-08:00Bro, thank you for this much needed blog! You're s...Bro, thank you for this much needed blog! You're such an encouragement, brotha! If I had only half the annointing of the Spirit and the passion for Jesus that you haveI would be set=P But seriously, keep doing what you're doing. A lot of people look up to you- including me. Press on, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your work in the Lord is not in vain!katzy serranohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07378559761148406164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-22950724635458982192008-11-03T06:43:00.000-08:002008-11-03T06:43:00.000-08:00Different people different preference :/ i just ho...Different people different preference :/ i just hope that people would stop posting comments than sounds like verbal attacks...welll its cool if u delete this jae xD i'm just 2 bored if u think might get some1 mad just delete it its nth important xDSome1https://www.blogger.com/profile/01596985319054245762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-31912925471076088972008-11-03T06:32:00.000-08:002008-11-03T06:32:00.000-08:00Dear All, Dear JMA, Dear m@,Even we gather all the...Dear All, Dear JMA, Dear m@,<BR/><BR/>Even we gather all the infomation and have the best analysis based on our own research, we all have to admit that nobody can guarantee that the one we vote turns out to be who we really expect. <BR/><BR/>It's just like choosing a spouse in a marriage, even we date for a long time, get to know each other for a long time and gather enough information to know this person thoroughly. We think that we know this person very well, and we think this is the one and make our choice and marry this particular one, we think that this is the best. It turns that it's not the one we expect, we regret, now it's our fault to make such choice that we regret, we cannot blame anyone. The best way to get away from it is to get a divorce (logically not bibilically), remember it's our fault to make such a decision that leads to such a result. <BR/><BR/>Yeah, right, this is how we feel now, we regret that we voted for Bush/Republican, they disappointed us, we regret, so, similar to divorcing a spouse, we simply divorce Republican, think that choosing Obama/Democrat will be better. Of course la, everyone will think like this, otherwise, nobody will think of a divorce in the first place. But who can guarantee our second choice will be better than our first choice based on the logic we think. <BR/><BR/>Now we say that getting married is very personal, don't bother me, not even my parents. So let's now choose our own 'spouse' (vote your choice - you choose yours, I choose mine) based on our own logic and personal conviction (Don't be influenced by anyone, you have your own discernment and judgment). Or simply don't choose (no vote, waste your vote), let God choose for us? These people have to pray more, double your prayers please. <BR/><BR/>And, of course, we all have to bear our own responsibility of our own choice (either vote or no vote), which either leads us to hope or despair. But when things happen, please just don't blame others, don't blame anyone. It's our own choice, our own fault. <BR/><BR/>Don't blame JMA. Don't blame m@. Don't blame God either.<BR/><BR/>Don't think that your vote will change the world either. This is not the end of the world either MaCain or Obama. Or Messiah comes to America either MaCain or Obama. (the same: a bad marriage or a divorce is not the end of the world either, God have enough grace for us. But we are not to abuse His grace, and Yeshua's standard is still the same: no divorce.)<BR/><BR/>The end of the world will come when Yeshua the true Messiah comes. No matter what, we believe that He is still in control. We will be at ease if we have done our part, to put enough prayers in this elections, and continue to put enough prayers for the future President, the political party in charge, and our society, and our family. (Don't think that we can hold our future except God.)<BR/><BR/>God bless America and have 'fun' in choosing your 'spouse'.<BR/><BR/>I'll be praying for you two, JMA and m@, but is this really necessary, you both know that you are not going to change your position, right? <BR/><BR/>Peace. Relax.<BR/><BR/>(Disclaimer: the above is merely personal opinion. Not intent for a debate. Please ignore me if you disagree with me. Thanks JMA if you publicize it.)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529638178617361483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-20463674592939375722008-11-03T01:15:00.000-08:002008-11-03T01:15:00.000-08:00Hey, In response to your comment, I'd rather take ...Hey, <BR/><BR/>In response to your comment, I'd rather take this discussion off line rather than publicly online. <BR/><BR/>Again, I still don't know who you are nor your background. So send an email to info@campuschurch.net and I'd be glad to hear your views. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for your apology, I appreciate your ability in trying to have a decent conversation. Problem is, in your remarks there is still sarcasm and disrespect in the way you comment. It's not that I don't want to talk to you, but if someone does not respect me, I don't feel the need to respond and put forth energy into a conversation. <BR/><BR/>A few responses...<BR/><BR/>1. Marriage is for pro-creation. Children are a natural offspring of a husband and wife, how does that not make sense? For two 70 year olds to be married and not have children...the logic you are presenting here does not make its point. Pro-creation is not the only purpose in marriage, but it is definitely one of them. <BR/><BR/>2. I believe in democracy. At the same time we need to understand that although we live in a democratic nation, we are ambassadors of Christ who represent the kingdom of heaven which is not a democracy, but a kingdom with a King and His name is Jesus. When a democracy decrees laws that are against God's kingdom laws and commands, it is then that I can not agree and submit to its rule. I will obey the authorities and submit to its government in whatever nation I live in. But, when that human government commands me to disobey God's clear commands I must pledge my allegiance to Jesus Christ first and foremost. <BR/><BR/>3. The point of my post is exactly what you wrote "California law does give almost all benefits to civil unions with same sex partners" that is the reason why I must vote Yes on Prop 8. Because, the homosexual agenda is not a fight for "equal rights" they already have their rights, it is a fight for "legitimacy" and the redefinition of marriage. <BR/><BR/>I can not legitimize something the Bible does not legitimize and redefine something the Bible has already clearly defined simple and clear. <BR/><BR/>4. I believe we do have to make decisions on "hot button issues" even if it be just one. Of course, I understand where you are coming from that we need to take into account every other issue and be objective and knowledgeable in how we vote and legislate. At the same time, when an issue is clearly stated and goes against God's commands and written will, I can not stand and support an issue that is Biblically wrong, unrighteous or unjust. Not every issue has to be taken into focus or account at one time, each issue is important and needs to be addressed. It happened that The Call California was focused on praying on the specific issue of the protection of marriage in our society. Other issues, I and many other believers daily pray for and seek God's answer and justice in (war, abortion, environment, economy, poverty, etc) <BR/><BR/>5. Lastly, The Call California is a gathering that is focused on prayer, not politicking. We believe that our battle is not against a government, activists or other humans, our battle is first and foremost against spiritual principalities and wickedness in the air (Eph 6:10-18). We are to pray and fast in order to call upon and invoke God's mercy to bring about change in the spiritual that ultimately influence the physical realm. This is why thousands of young people came to pray to God to protect the sanctity of marriage, because they believe in the power of prayer that can change the world in times of crisis. (Joel 2:1-30)<BR/><BR/>This will be my last response publicly to you. I respect your thoughts and opinions although I don't necessarily agree with them much at all. I look at things not from a humanistic stand point first, but first spiritual than practical. If you want to continue this discussion feel free to email me....Regards, JMA<BR/><BR/>jaeson@campuschurch.netJaeson Mahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04363216350320032153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-65735397029930685692008-11-02T15:22:00.000-08:002008-11-02T15:22:00.000-08:00I apologize, Jaeson, if you viewed my comments as ...I apologize, Jaeson, if you viewed my comments as accusatory; wasn't my intention. And I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I'm engaging in a sustained battle against Republicans or conservative Christianity.<BR/><BR/>No, my battle is more against a proper use of our time and resources and ensuring that nobody -- NOBODY -- makes decisions based on a single, hot-button issue (including same-sex marriage). It only cheapens the proper exercise of democracy, which we are certainly blessed to have. <BR/><BR/>I've been having a lengthy discussion with several people on Proposition 8 from a Christian perspective, and I unfortunately find the arguments supporting it to be relatively piecemeal. What you're presenting here is no less piecemeal, mainly because you offer no new evidence explaining your support for it -- other than some Scripture that, in some cases, is dubious in its application (ex. "Marriage is for pro-creation" -- so 70 year-olds shouldn't be allowed to marry? hmmm....)<BR/><BR/>At present, California offers nearly all benefits of marriage to civil union partners (joint filing for federal taxes notwithstanding due to DOMA). So why is all the stink being raised about Prop 8 -- is it because 'marriage' is the word in discussion here? Honestly, Proposition 8 is no more than a scapegoat issue used by either side to claim bigotry (or the end of morality) is alive and well. <BR/><BR/>Furthermore, this "slippery slope" discussion is baseless. Will America become a Sodom? Some people claim so, and they point to the Scandinavian region as an example. But wait -- doesn't Norway have the highest per capita rate of foreign aid to developing countries, thereby providing necessary funding for vaccines against malaria, ARVs for HIV/AIDS, etc.? What about, for example, in Germany, where pregnant mothers are offered not only several months of maternity leave, but are guaranteed a job of equal salary upon their return to the workforce? Isn't the upbringing of a child a method in which the sanctity of live is firmly preserved?<BR/><BR/>That, Jaeson, is where I get peeved: thousands of people, likely including sub-18 kids (that can't even vote) drive to San Diego to endorse a California proposition that will change nothing but the impression that Christians gained a "moral victory". Why aren't they out registering voters, having roundtables with their non-Christian friends, or simply surfing the web to really discover what each issue means to you, me, and the millions of people that disagree with your worldview? Is that...Biblical? If it's not, then I guess I've been all wrong about this Jesus thing...matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03646978869891498636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-36565538323401126732008-11-02T14:20:00.000-08:002008-11-02T14:20:00.000-08:00It's interesting that you keep posting with an ang...It's interesting that you keep posting with an angst towards republicans or what you might deem as conservative Christians. <BR/><BR/>Whether it be George Bush or social issues, I respect your opinion. I simply ask you to state your thoughts without a spirit of accusation, arrogance, or defense. <BR/><BR/>If you do debate, please debate based upon a Biblical worldview and God's written Word. <BR/><BR/>So far, the comments received are not encouraging, exhorting or even corrective but accusatory and sarcastic. Once, again if you come in the same spirit you have been commenting with I will have to not post your comments. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for being a good sport :) <BR/><BR/>Thank you for the reference on mass resistance, but I do not stand with what they believe as an organization, I simply used this article for the clear facts that were stated and documented by other sites also on the same accounts with the Parker Family and what Gov Mitt Romney allowed in the state of MA (www.protectmarriage.com, www.frcaction.org, http://www.protectmarriageca.com/)<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>JMAJaeson Mahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04363216350320032153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-72940895651053018822008-11-02T11:24:00.000-08:002008-11-02T11:24:00.000-08:00He loves the world (systems & people & los...He loves the world (systems & people & lost) but reject the way of oppositie.<BR/><BR/>Dont'we remember that, 40days trial of Yeshua, the enemies also understand words of GOD.<BR/><BR/>But Yeshua reaction, we forget?<BR/><BR/>Loves everyone in tuning their pure intention by HIS guard and Guide personal relationship in between everyone and God Father.<BR/><BR/>sin is sin. "inner is pure on truth, external is flexible " as for an representative of servant's leaders! AMEN!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-67484312342610444922008-11-02T10:56:00.000-08:002008-11-02T10:56:00.000-08:00Interesting how thousands of Christians can gather...Interesting how thousands of Christians can gather to pray for the passage of Proposition 8 but foolhardily voted in a president -- twice -- that spends billions of dollars a day on a war that has killed thousands of Iraqi civilians.<BR/><BR/>You might want to do your research on MassResistance too, Jaeson; they're not quite the best source to cite in defense of your arguments since some reuptable organizations have labeled them as a hate group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-81763984865135672352008-11-02T08:58:00.000-08:002008-11-02T08:58:00.000-08:00My frd passed away a few days ago in a car acciden...My frd passed away a few days ago in a car accident things hvent been going too well for me. but i'm still gona pray n fast for this matter i just need prayers of support from any1 who reads this...i need ur prayers my frd passed away only last week and i dono how long i could stand againts all this but i noe God's there for me...they cant do this to CA<BR/><BR/>thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-86308947375609490692008-11-02T08:51:00.000-08:002008-11-02T08:51:00.000-08:00oh my goodness....this jus cant happen....I mean.....oh my goodness....this jus cant happen....I mean...i'm going to study in CA..and they can't do this....its not right, it's just so wrong. i understand what u meant jaeson coz i dont hate them either i jus dont agree with them although i dont hav a bunch of close frds who r gays/lesbians but i do noe some of them. Those kids are not to be induce with all the wrong teachings. I should pray hard about this for the future of america and the future of those would be kindergarten kids.<BR/><BR/>I might as well fast n pray...Lets cry out to God togetherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-63110401090737009782008-11-02T08:11:00.000-08:002008-11-02T08:11:00.000-08:00amen."Blessed are those who are persecuted because...amen.<BR/><BR/>"Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.<BR/>"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.<BR/><BR/>"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?<BR/><BR/>"You are the ligh of the world...let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.<BR/><BR/>"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (Matt 5:10-17)<BR/><BR/>Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"<BR/><BR/>"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." (Matt 19:3-4)<BR/><BR/>"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate you enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Matt 6:43-48)<BR/><BR/>"I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matt 5:18-20)<BR/><BR/>In fact, Yeshua has a much higher standard on marriage for us. His standard on marriage is "no separation of one flesh of a male and female join" not only no room for same sex join, but also no room for divorce. "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning." (Matt 19:8)<BR/><BR/>We are called to be salt and light and stand up for the truth. On the other hand, we are called to be persecuted for righteousness and love our enemies. These are a high callng, a privilege. Are we ready for this tough calling as Yeshua's followers?<BR/><BR/>JMA is ready. Are you ready?<BR/><BR/>We should all get ready. <BR/><BR/>JMA, I'll be praying for you and your nation. Peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235229.post-77409259470782613312008-11-02T08:10:00.000-08:002008-11-02T08:10:00.000-08:00AMEN & AMEN! 1118 pleasing HIM only with decis...AMEN & AMEN! <BR/><BR/>1118 <BR/><BR/>pleasing HIM only with decision/action and catch His heart-bit to work it out.<BR/><BR/>HE is ark (words), words became flesh together, enter to words in His interpretation. please! Is it possible?<BR/><BR/>A new generation~~~~~~ UP-Side-DOWN Now!<BR/>Yeshua is waiting for us at least 2000 years, but actually is 5000 years more! Get ready together to "action" by heart, is it possible?<BR/><BR/>Yes is Yes, No is No. Only ONE ADONAI alone on the earth. AMEN!<BR/><BR/>Halilu ADONAI!!!! PurifyPurifyPurify, restore original images, LORD, I beg you, in Your MightlyName MESSIAH YESHUA, AMEN!<BR/><BR/>1118Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com